The latest 1News-Verian poll was out last night. There wasn't a lot of change, other than a dip in the personal popularity of both Christopher Luxon and Chris Hipkins. 

Nothing really major is going on, is it? And it's been that way for a couple of polls. 

Now, what I find interesting is just the vibe, the energy levels that you're picking up off these guys. 

Luxon, he's like the road runner. You ever watch the Road Runner, the Looney Tunes thing? And he's beep-beep, beep-beep, running around in a cloud of dust. Just in a hurry to get everything done. 

And then there's old Hipkins. Is his heart still in it? 

What do you really think when you see him being interviewed? 

I've interviewed him over many years now and it must be hard to maintain a level of enthusiasm, but I just think he's sort of outwardly showing it now. 

He'll be dusting off his CV, no doubt he'll be thinking about what's next.   

He doesn't want to be there for the next election, does he? 

The problem at the moment is no one else really wants to take the job either, because it's a bit of a poison chalice. 

But I look at Chris Hipkins and I think there's a man who doesn't want to be there. 

That's why you go and spend two weeks over in the UK.